Telesto can also run rampant with nobody left to patch it.

I have a hard time imagining what Telesto could do now that would be crazier than some of the builds that already exist, but Telesto isn't limited by my imagination (or anyone's for that matter).

Why do you say that?

I ask because I played a whole bunch of Iron Banner last week, and I thought it felt great. Lots of stuff is really viable, and it didn’t feel like it was filled with crazy ability spam or wild one hit bullshit like it was during Witch Queen.

I hear a LOT of complaints about Jade Rabbit, Golden Gun, and Sunbringers, but while you definitely feel their presence, the Grasp set is disabled now, Jade Rabbit has a skill check, limited map control, and crumbles against aggressive play. And people will always complain about Warlocks, because they’ve always just been played by higher skilled players. :P

Other than that, Crucible feels a little faster than I’d like, hand cannons can be difficult to counter at medium range, and Fighting Lion is no longer a viable primary (BOOOOOO), but everything feels fine. I ran all three classes this IB with almost Zero updates to my old Final Shape builds, and had a great time all around.

Why do you say that?

I ask because I played a whole bunch of Iron Banner last week, and I thought it felt great. Lots of stuff is really viable, and it didn’t feel like it was filled with crazy ability spam or wild one hit bullshit like it was during Witch Queen.

Perhaps I should have played myself before commenting based on 2nd hand reports, but I was under the impression having the new multi-artifact enabled during normal Crucible (it's disabled in Trials and Competitive) was leading to overpowered builds. If not, that's great, I'll have to log back in and try it. I am still a little salty that they changed/nerfed Gemini Jesters in Edge of Fate - not sure anyone was using that except for me, so it felt a little targeted, lol.