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Dealing with Jugg Shotties (reply)

Vortech — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 01:37:24 +0000

For the record, I really enjoy all of True Vanguard's videos. Really quality player and seriously a nice guy. No salt.

Yeah. Every time I see him he takes the time to ask "what's up?" with me before he gets into his stuff. Really considerate.

DBO Destiny Mythbusters. ;-) (reply)

Morpheus — Sat, 07 Jan 2017 23:32:48 +0000

Make us a logo, Cody!

I'll check my schedule... (reply)

BeardFade — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 05:45:20 +0000

And make an event called "For Science" where we can test out these theories. Just gotta figure out when I'll be able to play for certain next.

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Ragashingo — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 21:58:22 +0000

That's an interesting thing to test as well. Is the shockwave alone enough to pop the bubble? Is it even possible to land far enough away to not kill the bubble but still have the shockwave reach it?

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unoudid — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 21:09:19 +0000

The shockwave isn't blocked? Maybe the initial Fist of Havoc kills the bubble then the shockwave goes forward and kills the people?

That's what I'm thinking. you have to kill the bubble with the initial slam. Either that or you could also just use aftershock then that can kill the people inside?

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Ragashingo — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:39:29 +0000

The shockwave isn't blocked? Maybe the initial Fist of Havoc kills the bubble then the shockwave goes forward and kills the people?

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unoudid — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 08:37:13 +0000

Shatter on a Nova bomb will kill the bubble AND people inside it. Also Fist of Havok w/ Shockwave can kill the people inside after landing your fist on the outside of a bubble.

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Ragashingo — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 05:14:30 +0000

Amusingly, what I think I saw the other day was that Lance of all things was completely blocked (killing the bubble) and left me completely unharmed while a normal and split Nova Bomb kill everybody... I want to know for sure.

So I haven't done any scientific testing, but I have definitely had instances where my Nova Bomb will destroy a bubble AND kill everyone inside, and other cases where it destroys the bubble but kills nobody. I only ever use normal Nova Bombs (with Vortex). Of course, there is the perk on the Voidwalker skill tree that increases the size of void detonations, which might be making a difference.

I often wonder if has to do with the proximity to the bubble wall when it gets hit by the Nova Bomb. So if I'm standing just inside a bubble, and a Nova Bomb hits the bubble only a few inches away from me, it will kill me. But if I'm at the far end of the bubble, I'll survive. Possible?

Could be. For instance, Vex Hydra shots have a little area of splash damage that can bleed through the bubble's wall if it hits the ground right beside you. Maybe the Nova Bomb area of effect extends a bit into the bubble as well? Interestingly, Fist of Havoc doesn't seem to though. I've landed either in or out of a bubble and failed to kill the people on the other side enough times to confirm that...

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BeardFade — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:54:03 +0000

Let's add that to the chart of things to test.

I see a Mayhem match in our future.

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CruelLEGACEY — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:40:36 +0000

Amusingly, what I think I saw the other day was that Lance of all things was completely blocked (killing the bubble) and left me completely unharmed while a normal and split Nova Bomb kill everybody... I want to know for sure.

So I haven't done any scientific testing, but I have definitely had instances where my Nova Bomb will destroy a bubble AND kill everyone inside, and other cases where it destroys the bubble but kills nobody. I only ever use normal Nova Bombs (with Vortex). Of course, there is the perk on the Voidwalker skill tree that increases the size of void detonations, which might be making a difference.

I often wonder if has to do with the proximity to the bubble wall when it gets hit by the Nova Bomb. So if I'm standing just inside a bubble, and a Nova Bomb hits the bubble only a few inches away from me, it will kill me. But if I'm at the far end of the bubble, I'll survive. Possible?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case (reply)

ZackDark — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:25:36 +0000

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Ragashingo — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 03:27:25 +0000

Amusingly, what I think I saw the other day was that Lance of all things was completely blocked (killing the bubble) and left me completely unharmed while a normal and split Nova Bomb kill everybody... I want to know for sure.

I don't disagree with you (reply)

ZackDark — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 03:11:05 +0000

Wards really should completely protect people from regular-spec'ed supers. I even think Lance should only hurt people inside it (maybe a lot), as opposed to killing anyone.

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BeardFade — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 02:59:51 +0000

I'm with Raga on this. I think a Void bomb should neutralize a WoD, but not kill the people inside it unless they use Lance, and and maybe if they use Vortex and the guardians inside do not move fast enough (though it should be a few seconds of departure time).

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ZackDark — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 02:45:23 +0000

I love bombing some Wards. The fact that they're Raga's would the cherry on the top

I'd be up for helping you with that (reply)

BeardFade — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 02:42:53 +0000

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Dealing with Jugg Shotties (reply)

Ragashingo — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 02:29:01 +0000

I kinda want to set up a private match just to have Warlocks bomb my Ward of Dawn with different settings and see how things behave...

Maybe we should come up with a list of things we are curious about or want to practice so we have plenty to do?

- Dealing with Juggernaut Shield
- Ward of Dawn vs X
- Sniping Practice
- Cloak Duration (where can you get to with different cloak settings)
- Etc

Dealing with Jugg Shotties

BeardFade — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 01:53:06 +0000

If anyone's exhausted from all the Jugg Shield/Matador warriors out there, here's a really detailed video on best ways to handle them.

For the record, I really enjoy all of True Vanguard's videos. Really quality player and seriously a nice guy. No salt.

This video made me think it might be fun/helpful to setup private matches to let clan members practice certain techniques they wanted to improve. Like drag scoping. Don't know if there'd be any interest in it.