We've got Stormcallers, Nightstalkers, and Sunbreakers now ;)

Yeah, even with the orb generation nerf, you can still drop mad orbs in the conflux section with a nightstalker. Trade supers and wipe out the legions ezpz.

Abyss First Lamp jump to the wall. I sort of hope that gets patched out. It might be better to learn how to do this section legit. I can solo it legit for now but I suspect my skills won't be enough for the new LL.

Our cheese was to have a hunter with "don't touch me" gloves and crouch for stealth skills basically sneak all the way to the bridge, kill the ogre with icebreaker or gjallerhorn, and then run across the bridge, which completed phase 1 for the whole raid.

The only "cheese" I've ever done during the Abyss was when one of our Flawless Raider groups couldn't get down into the pit without someone dying on the landing, so we decided to have most of the group stay up top while Cyber and I jumped down and murdered our way through the whole thing until everyone got warped in at the bridge :)

Pit Run:

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Robot%20Chickens/video/16443747

For giggles, here is how I use to solo the whole Crota encounter before swords. It's recorded on normal, but the strategy totally works for hardmode too:

Bridge
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Robot%20Chickens/video/16443209

Hall (move more aggressively on hard to avoid shrieker respawns)
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Robot%20Chickens/video/16443737

Deathsinger (flubbed the first jump)
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Robot%20Chickens/video/16443765

Crota (for hard mode, switch to red death/favorite rocket)
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Robot%20Chickens/video/16443742

It's done that way becsuse the encounter was designed in a way that pushed players away from the fun things in Destiny (combat, movement) and towards the tedious but (somewhat) consistent.

Not unlike Y1 Nightfalls, actually. But they fixed those at least (kinda).

Abyss First Lamp jump to the wall. I sort of hope that gets patched out. It might be better to learn how to do this section legit. I can solo it legit for now but I suspect my skills won't be enough for the new LL.

Our cheese was to have a hunter with "don't touch me" gloves and crouch for stealth skills basically sneak all the way to the bridge, kill the ogre with icebreaker or gjallerhorn, and then run across the bridge, which completed phase 1 for the whole raid.

After hearing that they are updating, and "patching" the old raids, what are things you used to do that will get patched out? What tricks do you think will remain in?

The center-ledge outside the crystal room at the Crota finale, I suspect they will do something to address everyone gathering there. I wonder if they'll change the geometry or add an enemy spawn (boomers down below? maybe a wizard?) to make that ledge less appealing.

In VoG, I had a Chance hand cannon from FWC with reload speed perks. I killed over 100 vex during the conflux phases, much to the surprise of my fellow raiders. It got to the point where I could solo a conflux pretty consistently as long as the guys could keep the center spawnging vex in line.

Not looking forward to those Pretorian Minitaurs though.

In CE, I could solo, on hard difficulty everything up to the Deathsinger. I used to pull random people who never raided though just so they could get some elemental primaries off the abyss and bridge.

I doubt bungie will change the bridge so that a Titan can't jump it, and I didn't use the spire exploit, so i think I'll still be able to get people gear from that section.

But with the abandonment of the 360/PS3, Bungie can increase the number of onscreen mobs in both these raids. That, coupled with the addition of weapon ranges, means that some of what I'm used to will change. The nightstalker/stormwalker/sunbreaker combo really turns these sections into easy mode. i anticipate Bungie has spiced things up in those encounters in order to offset that.