Yet another opportunity to ask for cross-saves. Can you imagine how much more amazing this community would be if we had it?

i'm sure there are a lot of people who would buy more copies of Destiny just so they could play on different platforms.

Right, but Destiny is absurdly expensive for me because I've not run most of the Raids across Destiny 1 and 2 even a single time. Can never find a solid group of people. Randoms gatekeep. I've put up requests here and in other spaces that usually get ignored. Destiny is probably the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a game. It's great in a lot of ways, the best in some...but when it comes to monetary value none of that makes up for it.

Cyber, I think we have another person to take through the raids!

Do them, they rule. We will help you. if you are o PS4 :-p

Thar be the rub. Was on Xbox, migrated to PC. Probably not leaving. :( I appreciate it though!

Right, but Destiny is absurdly expensive for me because I've not run most of the Raids across Destiny 1 and 2 even a single time. Can never find a solid group of people. Randoms gatekeep. I've put up requests here and in other spaces that usually get ignored. Destiny is probably the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a game. It's great in a lot of ways, the best in some...but when it comes to monetary value none of that makes up for it.

Cyber, I think we have another person to take through the raids!

Do them, they rule. We will help you. if you are o PS4 :-p

Guess it's time for another "catch Funkmon up on D2" session in a few days.

Can someone record the meeting so I can watch it later? :P

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

Right, but Destiny is absurdly expensive for me because I've not run most of the Raids across Destiny 1 and 2 even a single time. Can never find a solid group of people. Randoms gatekeep. I've put up requests here and in other spaces that usually get ignored. Destiny is probably the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a game. It's great in a lot of ways, the best in some...but when it comes to monetary value none of that makes up for it.

And I get that. I just popped in saying that there are two sides to the coin. When I heard the above bold, I just wanted to add that that it wasn't true because there are, from what I've seen, a lot of people where this isn't a problem but actually a benefit. I'm not discounting your experience, because you are the other side of the coin and I'm sorry that you are.

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

Depends on the person. I personally can't afford all those other games that are vying for my attention.

Good news. Games get cheaper over time:

And since they aren't a service but exist unchanging on their own, you can enjoy the single player in basically the same way as you could on release.

Cheaper, not cheap. It's amazing how cheap Destiny is, if you count how many hours I've played vs how much Destiny has cost me this year...

I've played, according to wastedonDestiny.com 465 hours on Destiny 2 and expansions. I've paid 120 bucks I think? That's almost a buck for 4 hours of play time. Most decent games, even old ones cost about 20 bucks on the cheapest. I doubt I'm going to spend 80 hours on those games. The average game time on AAA games is 40-50 and that is pushing the content. Also to note, I'm not close to finishing Forsaken and having good times with friends.

P.S. I appreciate that you used an XKCD, that made me smile immediately :D

Right, but Destiny is absurdly expensive for me because I've not run most of the Raids across Destiny 1 and 2 even a single time. Can never find a solid group of people. Randoms gatekeep. I've put up requests here and in other spaces that usually get ignored. Destiny is probably the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a game. It's great in a lot of ways, the best in some...but when it comes to monetary value none of that makes up for it.

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

I disagree. GaaS has been working for over a decade; see World of Warcraft. As long as the content created keeps people happy, can be progressed through reasonably, and keeps people happy long enough to level the characters they want.

I think Destiny tries to hard to make every piece of content replayable. Let me get to the few pieces of content that are so good I'll want to replay them...and then let me replay those.

Cheaper, not cheap. It's amazing how cheap Destiny is

Sure is. It's practically free!

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

Depends on the person. I personally can't afford all those other games that are vying for my attention.

Good news. Games get cheaper over time:

And since they aren't a service but exist unchanging on their own, you can enjoy the single player in basically the same way as you could on release.

Cheaper, not cheap. It's amazing how cheap Destiny is, if you count how many hours I've played vs how much Destiny has cost me this year...

I've played, according to wastedonDestiny.com 465 hours on Destiny 2 and expansions. I've paid 120 bucks I think? That's almost a buck for 4 hours of play time. Most decent games, even old ones cost about 20 bucks on the cheapest. I doubt I'm going to spend 80 hours on those games. The average game time on AAA games is 40-50 and that is pushing the content. Also to note, I'm not close to finishing Forsaken and having good times with friends.

P.S. I appreciate that you used an XKCD, that made me smile immediately :D

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

Depends on the person. I personally can't afford all those other games that are vying for my attention.

Good news. Games get cheaper over time:

And since they aren't a service but exist unchanging on their own, you can enjoy the single player in basically the same way as you could on release.

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

Depends on the person. I personally can't afford all those other games that are vying for my attention. So for me, Destiny is great. I can keep playing a game I love and very little cost. If I bounced from game to game every month I would be broke. And a game a month is a very modest time frame. I can normally chew through a game in 2 weeks.

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them.

And there lies the problem with AAA+ and games as service.

And I get that. Problem is, I have 100 other games to play. I'd love to follow the trail of new stuff in Destiny 2, except that would take most of my gaming time.

I hear you there.

This week is a mess. We're at the final boss of the new Raid. The new Festival of the Lost event is live. It's the best week to try and get the Malfeasance boss to spawn in Gambit. It's Double and Triple Valor in Crucible. The Shattered Throne mission is available.

There's literally not enough time to do it all.

It doens't help that I'm loving Forza Horizon 4, or that Red Dead Redemption 2 is coming out next week.

This whole situation makes the stark contrast between casual and hardcore really clear. I don't mind having an amusement park's worth of content constantly rotating if I have as long as I need to clear it. But that content has been stale for another part of the fanbase for months and they're angry they can't play new stuff.

I feel like if Bungie was able to be up front about events and cadences like 3 months in advance or something. This content will rotate on this schedule for the next several months, it will not change. Feel free to spread your saturation of the current batch of content over that time frame. These things will stay through to the next block for sure, these things will not for sure.

We shouldn't be asking for games that demand our attention so greedily and no one should be making them. Just my gut intuition for whatever it's worth, but I get the sense that we're going to be seeing some new medical issues arise in this space.

That being said, this very usage is considered acceptable by multiple style guides because of the complex nature of the problem.

And THAT being said, it's definitely fine anyway because nobody cares because we all understand it.

And I get that. Problem is, I have 100 other games to play. I'd love to follow the trail of new stuff in Destiny 2, except that would take most of my gaming time.

I hear you there.

This week is a mess. We're at the final boss of the new Raid. The new Festival of the Lost event is live. It's the best week to try and get the Malfeasance boss to spawn in Gambit. It's Double and Triple Valor in Crucible. The Shattered Throne mission is available.

There's literally not enough time to do it all.

It doens't help that I'm loving Forza Horizon 4, or that Red Dead Redemption 2 is coming out next week.