During the opening mission, after hearing Mithrax message, then seeing the crashed skiff off in the distance...

How many y'all just jumped right out and fell to their death? (raises hand)

I was very close, but I'm a hunter and abandoned that course with my triple jump in time.

How many y'all just jumped right out and fell to their death? (raises hand)

This is a race dedicated to our extinction. I'm with you; kill 'em all.

Uhhhh... well that escalated quickly. I wasn't condoning infanticide. I was simply thinking out loud my bewilderment to the insta-Awwwing that exploded onto the internet for what is basically swaddled glowing eyes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I do hate KackisHD, though, fuck that guy.

OMG, I totally agree! What are the odds! ;D

I think Bungie saw how negative feedback from streamers could (did?) hurt them, and they've been courting that vote ever since.

Feedback based on making the game be a better game for streaming. That's where it's misguided to just listen to them.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

To your second point, if you look at whom they invited from the community to look at Warmind… it was streamers mostly. I do think it's not a fiction, but of course you are right and we may not be seeing the whole picture.

But the real crux is that a game that's good for streamers is not necessarily a game good for players. Streaming is a very specific niche, and they want certain things out of their games. They need a game they can play a lot, and often, that people will want to watch them play. Certain things are better for streaming than others. The biggest is actually required time investment. If they can get things through time investment most people can't, that draws in viewers who want to see them get or do that thing.

I'll never forget when Datto said he "didn't feel like Destiny was respecting his time". His solution? More Grind. Not less. This perfectly illustrates the difference in mentality.

Generally, I see two types of streamers. Those who have a good personality and add humor or insight to playthroughs, or those who are highly skilled or decorated who people watch to see things they can't yet do or acquire. Most often, changes to loot based or MMO games to appeal to the second group are bad for the game in general (since they generally focus on increasing the required time investment), while for things like FPS, Fighting, or RTS/MOBA they can improve the game for everyone since it's about depth and skill ceiling.

You didn't explicitly mention that streamers have become a big part of Bungie's marketing engine, and I don't think it was planned at all. I think Bungie saw how negative feedback from streamers could (did?) hurt them, and they've been courting that vote ever since.

And you see other developers courting that vote, trying to convert streamers to an upcoming release, much like sports teams trying to recruit star players.

We end up with more games intended to be lifestyles. I don't begrudge anyone who likes this change. I wish I had more time for it myself.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

To your second point, if you look at whom they invited from the community to look at Warmind… it was streamers mostly. I do think it's not a fiction, but of course you are right and we may not be seeing the whole picture.

But the real crux is that a game that's good for streamers is not necessarily a game good for players. Streaming is a very specific niche, and they want certain things out of their games. They need a game they can play a lot, and often, that people will want to watch them play. Certain things are better for streaming than others. The biggest is actually required time investment. If they can get things through time investment most people can't, that draws in viewers who want to see them get or do that thing.

I'll never forget when Datto said he "didn't feel like Destiny was respecting his time". His solution? More Grind. Not less. This perfectly illustrates the difference in mentality.

Generally, I see two types of streamers. Those who have a good personality and add humor or insight to playthroughs, or those who are highly skilled or decorated who people watch to see things they can't yet do or acquire. Most often, changes to loot based or MMO games to appeal to the second group are bad for the game in general (since they generally focus on increasing the required time investment), while for things like FPS, Fighting, or RTS/MOBA they can improve the game for everyone since it's about depth and skill ceiling.

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.

You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...

I don’t hate streamers in general. Shit, I just got hit pretty hard this week finding out that three of the founding members of Giant Bomb are leaving the site, and they were mostly just streamers that had a connection to old games media. I watch plenty of people play Bloodborne and Dark Souls.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

I do hate Datto, though, fuck that guy.

Whenever I see it my blood pressure increases...

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.

You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...

I don’t hate streamers in general. Shit, I just got hit pretty hard this week finding out that three of the founding members of Giant Bomb are leaving the site, and they were mostly just streamers that had a connection to old games media. I watch plenty of people play Bloodborne and Dark Souls.

My disdain for streamers is exactly from stuff like this, where Bungie replaces actual community interaction with interacting with streamers as if they alone are the community and speak for all of us.

And I recognize that might not even be a real thing that’s happening, and it’s just a bias because it’s what I see because I’m not on any social media where I could even possibly see any other form of interaction.

I do hate Datto, though, fuck that guy.

I guess. I get it. Maybe this is just an old man yells at clouds moment. Giving shit to streamers just feels like shitty community interaction, but maybe that’s just my bias against streamers coming through, too.

You do indeed seem to intensely dislike streamers in general...

Oh jesus christ. What’s the “Live. Laugh. Love.” of the Destiny universe?

Eververse. Eververse. Than one more time, but I'm afraid what might happen if I do.

It’s a bummer, but I honestly find it sort of exciting. If it means they get replaced with actors that are more available so that those characters can actually take part in the story, that’s only a good thing. I love Zavala, but I’m kind of tired of him being the person I have to talk to for everything all the time because he’s the only one they can get to record new lines. Ikora has been standing on that wrinkled rug (seriously, what the fuck, take a little pride in your little space and straighten that damn thing out) doing absolutely nothing for entirely too long.

I hope, for the firefly alumni, that busyness is the reason, and agree that that would be good if it meant more cutscenes and story-telling. I'd prefer the latter AND the Firefly cast.

Oh jesus christ. What’s the “Live. Laugh. Love.” of the Destiny universe?

"Shard. Super. Shoot."