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The only fighting you are required to do is disarming celeste at the end of the boat. I think?

1: Spoilers
2: Don't you have to rush past some point-blank snipers within the sewers?

Naw man, you can wall jump over them ezpz.

The only fighting you are required to do is disarming celeste at the end of the boat. I think?

1: Spoilers
2: Don't you have to rush past some point-blank snipers within the sewers?

Again, if you view games as simulation

And why would you do anything silly like that?

You mean, without punching dudes? Can that even be done?!

The only fighting you are required to do is disarming celeste at the end of the boat. I think?

with silly new rules.

Maybe you're not trying varied enough rules? I get huge amounts of enjoyment from gameplay style changes - like the pacifist run in Mirror's Edge, High Chaos/No Magic runs of Dishonoured, etc.

Try more pacifist runs?

I kind of see that as climbing the same mountain over and over, but instead of faster, you do it with one hand tied behind your back.

with silly new rules.

Maybe you're not trying varied enough rules? I get huge amounts of enjoyment from gameplay style changes - like the pacifist run in Mirror's Edge, High Chaos/No Magic runs of Dishonoured, etc.

Try more pacifist runs?

Mind you, I'm not saying, and I hope Cody isn't as well, that you can't be immersed in a MP game. I'm just saying it is inherently harder to do so.

Also, to avoid further confusion:

• 1st premise: MP games are less complex than real sports
  
• 2nd premise: MP games are less meaninful than real sports
  
• 3rd premise: MP games are less immersive than SP
  
• 4th premise (which I forgot was there): being less immersive makes it less interesting

I think you pretty much get what I'm saying. I don't know if MP games are inherently less immersive (I'd say probably not), but only become so when you focus on the competition to the exclusion of the aesthetics.

You should all stop debating things in forum threads and go look out a window. The view is better.

I missed you HP.

So, by your logic, sex makes sports irrelevant. Just as sports made e-sports irrelevant. Am I understanding you correctly?

No of course not. Vanquish is better than Mario, but that doesn't make Mario irrelevant.

You say that real sports are "better" than e-sports. This is wrong because having sex with Gianna Michaels is way better than real sports. What do I win?

Um, Sex IS better than sports. So what?

So, by your logic, sex makes sports irrelevant. Just as sports made e-sports irrelevant. Am I understanding you correctly?

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Part of the problem is you've spent all this time and effort twisting an inherently non-competitive activity (single player)

LOL. Proof you don't know what you're talking about. Single player is definitely competitive! You are competing with the game designers, AI, Obstacles, etc.

You're "competing" against something that never changes or adapts to you. This is my whole point and what's led to your burn out. You even said as much in your OP.

LOL again. UT 99 had bots that you could set to adjust to your skill level and adapt their difficulty to you as you play. You can easily program AI to 'learn' player patterns. Not that it matters at all. Even if they didn't, it's still competition.

Part of the problem is you've spent all this time and effort twisting an inherently non-competitive activity (single player)

LOL. Proof you don't know what you're talking about. Single player is definitely competitive! You are competing with the game designers, AI, Obstacles, etc.

You're "competing" against something that never changes or adapts to you. This is my whole point and what's led to your burn out. You even said as much in your OP.

And I still don't understand why you keep bringing up this "muh REAL sports" non sequitur.

That's why you should try to understand - everybody else has connected the dots.

Hint: Think of games as simulations.

This is tiresome. I get your point and I have since you first introduced it, I just refuse to believe you actually see it as a legitimate counter-argument to mine.

You say that real sports are "better" than e-sports. This is wrong because having sex with Gianna Michaels is way better than real sports. What do I win?

Um, Sex IS better than sports. So what?

You say that real sports are "better" than e-sports. This is wrong because having sex with Gianna Michaels is way better than real sports. What do I win?

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Nope. Real sports require everything e-sports require PLUS physical exertion. Thus are more demanding and more complex, thus are better.

This, especially the bolded part, is wrong. How much of e-sports or, hell, reading a defense in football, is contained in strongman competitions?

Again, if you view games as simulation, you realize that the real competitive activity is always more involved. Fighting for real is more engaging than street fighter. Being a general in real war is more engaging than starcraft. Playing golf is more engaging than tiger wood 2013, etc.

I just don't understand why you keep wanting to fight this battle, but okay. I'll fight on your terms.

You say that real sports are "better" than e-sports. This is wrong because having sex with Gianna Michaels is way better than real sports. What do I win?