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My team and I figured out another Thorn perk: Assists! (reply)

Kahzgul — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 16:22:44 +0000

Because of thorn's dots, our team gets WAY more assists when we all use thorn, which gives the team +50 more points per player per kill if they thorn tagged someone and then let another player finish that guy off. We actually did noticeably better in Iron Banner tonight with all of us who normally use Hawkmoon switching to Thorn. K/D ratios were about the same, but I was getting about 400 more points per game (I usually get between 0-3 assists; tonight I got between 5-13).

So, in a very real sense, using Thorn is *the* smart choice for Iron Banner. High damage, great at range, DoT reduces enemy playtime at full health and delays their shield regen, ticking DoT damage shows you where the enemy is if they're behind cover, and you actually get more assist points for your team.

Kotaku also hates Thorn. (reply)

Monochron — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 07:25:38 +0000

I just jumped over to DestinyTracker and looked at my second-to-last game last night:

http://destinytracker.com/dg/2697551651

1 thorn user (total, both teams). He was 4th on our team.

(The game before this and the game after had more - but the point is, I didn't have to look hard to find a game with only one. :) )

Yeah I wouldn't doubt that you can find games like that, or even a game without a thorn(!) It is just my experience that they are usually far more common than a single one each game.

this would be AMAZINGGG (reply)

Raflection — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 03:18:51 +0000

Just think of the different engagements you could have with a map with such diverse height!! Titans flying from the sky doing huge smashes, golden gun snippers picking off targets as they jump from pillar to pillar, void walkers blocking platforms with nova vortex until thdhy disappear and guardians fall to their death.

I NEED this map in my life for crucible !

When Thorn was a POS... (reply)

CyberKN — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 02:45:34 +0000

Man.... I remember when I first got Thorn and how underwhelmed I was by it.

It just flat out sucked, as a weapon.

-discussion aside- I'm sure they'll do something about it now, but I wonder if it will be a stealth tweak, or something for all HCs in general.

Personally, I think MANY of the exotics could use a tweak or two.

Universal Remote and NLB would be at the top of my wishlist.

Don't forget Dragon's Breath

Never got one, don't know what I'm (or it) is missing...

Really? Xur's sold it three times...

I only buy the things I know I want.

But.. but you get a grimiore card...

Don't be stupid. (reply)

Cody Miller — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 02:35:17 +0000

There are plenty of people who've posted RIGHT HERE ON THIS FORUM that they don't get kills as often with hand cannons as with auto rifles - because their targeting skill isn't perfect, and the auto rifle is more forgiving.

Korny is not one of those people. He can shoot.

When Thorn was a POS... (reply)

Revenant1988 — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 02:35:11 +0000

Man.... I remember when I first got Thorn and how underwhelmed I was by it.

It just flat out sucked, as a weapon.

-discussion aside- I'm sure they'll do something about it now, but I wonder if it will be a stealth tweak, or something for all HCs in general.

Personally, I think MANY of the exotics could use a tweak or two.

Universal Remote and NLB would be at the top of my wishlist.

Don't forget Dragon's Breath

Never got one, don't know what I'm (or it) is missing...

Really? Xur's sold it three times...

I only buy the things I know I want.

I think Thorn is OP as hell right now (reply)

Kahzgul — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 02:03:56 +0000

Body shots from Thorn are more deadly at range than body shots from sniper rifles. Up close it feels on the level with TLW, Hawkmoon or shotguns, but at mid range and beyond, it's the strongest weapon in the game. Bonus: it punches through allies and enemies, so you never get your shots blocked by overzealous teammates, and you can mow down a whole column of foes in two bursts. Double bonus: Thorn's DoT delays shield regen, which effectively negates a portion of your "recovery" stat and takes you out of combat for longer than any other gun, regardless of whether you survive or not. Simply being hit once by thorn reduces your overall time fighting at full strength more than being shot by any other weapon.

I find I'm somewhere in the middle (reply)

CruelLEGACEY — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:56:45 +0000

There are plenty of people who've posted RIGHT HERE ON THIS FORUM that they don't get kills as often with hand cannons as with auto rifles - because their targeting skill isn't perfect, and the auto rifle is more forgiving.

That's the part I keep bringing up... Hand cannons seem to be the most effective weapons in the hands of someone who can consistently land all their shots, but that certainly isn't everyone. I've done plenty of damage with Auto Rifles in the crucible, even after the most recent nerf.

That being said, I don't think Cody is way off base here. Every single crucible match I've played over the past 2 months, including Iron Banner and Trials of Osiris, has been dominated by hand cannons. On average, I see more hand cannons than every other primary weapon class put together. There is a reason for that. Hand Cannons really are more effective for most players in a wider range of situations than any other weapon type.

I'd love to see things balanced out a little better, just to open up more options. I actually prefer using Auto Rifles, but I feel like I can't use them if I'm in a close match, because I'll be at a disadvantage against all the HC users.

Kotaku also hates Thorn. (reply)

Kahzgul — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:56:14 +0000

I'm a CoD lover, but destiny's pvp is still too fast. Here's the thing about CoD: You're always maximally deadly after you die. Respawn? Great, you have fresh grenades and full ammo. In Destiny you can respawn and be super gimped because of no ammo and every ability on cooldown. In CoD, you may run out of ammo if you stay alive for a long time, but after every death you have full lethal force at your disposal.

As a result, the fast TTKs in CoD don't feel as punishing as they do in Destiny.

Good Show! (reply)

CommandrCleavage — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:31:32 +0000

I love watching a skilled Blink hunter. I am so crap at it. Definitely something I need to work on. When used effectively it's so awesome.

I try to use blink and my hunter looks like she's blind, slamming into walls all over the place.

Need to sacrifice some games and keep trying it to see if I can improve.

“A bruise is a lesson... and each lesson makes us better.” GRRM

When Thorn was a POS... (reply)

CyberKN — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:24:39 +0000

Man.... I remember when I first got Thorn and how underwhelmed I was by it.

It just flat out sucked, as a weapon.

-discussion aside- I'm sure they'll do something about it now, but I wonder if it will be a stealth tweak, or something for all HCs in general.

Personally, I think MANY of the exotics could use a tweak or two.

Universal Remote and NLB would be at the top of my wishlist.

Don't forget Dragon's Breath

Never got one, don't know what I'm (or it) is missing...

Really? Xur's sold it three times...

In the right hands, it was good, even then. (reply)

iconicbanana — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:16:16 +0000

Man.... I remember when I first got Thorn and how underwhelmed I was by it.

It just flat out sucked, as a weapon.

syphax is basedgod

But ... but ... (reply)

Avateur — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:13:55 +0000

GET GOOD KERMIT. GET YOUR BR UP. *crushes Mountain Dew can on forehead, pumps fists in the air, flexes muscles*

Kotaku also hates Thorn. (reply)

CommandrCleavage — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:09:31 +0000

This is actually really interesting.....

I did some digging on the last 10 games that I played.

I dug up the names of each player on the opposing team and the weapon that they currently have equipped and the last style of game that they played. OBVIOUSLY this isn't going to be very accurate for various reasons (ie: someone changed weapons after they were done to rank up, may frequently switch primary in game etc...)

There were also a few games where there was no thorn on the opposing team.

Thorn shows up a ton but there was a much greater chance of multiple Thorn's in a single group than a solo Thorn runner. You will also see a ton of Vex Mythoclast equipped and a few last words.

This isn't obviously perfect by any means but it's interesting. Going to do my best to record my death's this evening and tomorrow :)

Cauldron
06/04
Defeat

msm247-Fatebringer

Celinious- Vex Mythoclast

TheBlakStallion0-The Last Word

greg_the_pro-Word of Crota

tsavo0-NL Shadow 701x

WorldWideDJ1-NL Shadow 701x

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible

Exodus Blue
06/04
Defeat

ordep666-Thorn

JAGGER_GRIMMJOW- Jewel of Osiris

MazorcaJones-Thorn

stinkybutt-er-Silimar's Wrath

TTG_KARMA_G-Oversoul Edict

TakueLegend-Thorn

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible

Pantheon
06/04
Defeat

birrdman223-MIDA Multi-tool

MotherSanity-Oversoul Edict

haloman14-Fatebringer

Jfresh_8-9-The Last Word

SSgt_LeprechauN-Thorn

I8urPancakez- Vex Mythoclast

Vergil3690-The Last Word

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible, except for MotherSanity and Pancakez

Cauldron
06/04
Defeat

xltz_Jacobx- Couldn't locate user profile

BlkstrTek-Thorn

Red_K-9- Thorn

Dangitboyshoot-Thorn

Zepplin320- The Last Word

Empire4412-Vex Mythoclast

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible, except for Zeppelin

Firebase Delphi
06/03
Victory

XvX_T8TRT0T_XvX-Red Death

perpetual33-Word of Crota

reece_722- NAD31 Salvation

skater03-Hard Light

tribal756-Suros Regime

supersport22-Vex Mythoclast

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible, except for perpetual33 and reece_722

Pantheon
06/03
Victory

RisenCambrie-Monte Carlo

Dr_GoNzO155- Ill Will

phh99-Jewel of Osiris

Lost-in-Marbles-Thorn

magmar300-Thorn

SullivanAnthony-Deadshot Luna

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible

Cauldron
06/03
Victory

PunkRockRuelz06-Oversoul Edict

THIG1000-Atheon's Epilogue

MKNiiTE-Thorn

HersheyBar216-The Last Word

robindahood77-Her Mercy

Srglegend63- Vex Mythoclast

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible except Thig1000

Twilight Gap
06/03
Victory

RivalryMC-Hawkmoon

newtr0n04-Another NITC

om1267-Devil You Know

R10_NightWing-Vanquisher III

BJ-0594-Abyss Defiant

Nad3s1k0-Vex Mythoclast

Unrelatedbear-Her Right Hand

jordonshark09876-Hawkmoon

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible except for Newt and unrelatedbear

Blind Watch
06/03
Victory

Disciple36th-Universal Remote

I_AM_SOAP-Vex Mythoclast

force145-NAD31 Salvation

mkmetz88-NAD31 Salvation

FALLEN_ANGEL_I87-Oversoul Edict

SK_SHADOW_RED_Xv-Her Right Hand

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible

Shores of Time
06/03
Victory

kwmg-Her Mercy

MrSnipershot01-Thorn

TheInfinityReape- Her Right Hand

Mii006-Hawkmoon

califox85-Fang of IrYut

MikeyIrish13-Thorn

All individuals last game was some form of Crucible exept for califox

Take one of mine, please (reply)

someotherguy — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:07:44 +0000

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Kotaku also hates Thorn. (reply)

Claude Errera — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:41:22 +0000

People might use them a ton in trials but I still see plenty of other people using other guns in normal Crucible and even IB. I probably only come across one thorn user per match in normal PVP.

0_0
You can't be serious right?

I just jumped over to DestinyTracker and looked at my second-to-last game last night:

http://destinytracker.com/dg/2697551651

1 thorn user (total, both teams). He was 4th on our team.

(The game before this and the game after had more - but the point is, I didn't have to look hard to find a game with only one. :) )

Let me troll the trolls, troll! #trollception (reply)

iconicbanana — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:34:24 +0000

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Don't be stupid. (reply)

Claude Errera — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:32:14 +0000

it's simply a fact that autorifles are no good in PvP.

That's odd. If that were a fact, I wouldn't go ridiculously positive with the low-impact Monte Carlo... And yet I do. Your facts are different than real-world facts...

You'd go positive with a hand cannon too. That means nothing except that you are a good crucible player. If you consistently do BETTER with an AR than with OTHER WEAPONS, then come back to me.

This is why scentific experiments have a control group.

There are plenty of people who've posted RIGHT HERE ON THIS FORUM that they don't get kills as often with hand cannons as with auto rifles - because their targeting skill isn't perfect, and the auto rifle is more forgiving.

Why you have so much trouble understanding that not everyone plays the same idealized game as you do is, and always will be, a mystery to me.

Not really sure where you're going here blue. (reply)

bluerunner — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:45 +0000

I won't rest until your fun is ruined.

Don't be stupid. (reply)

Cody Miller — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:17:48 +0000

it's simply a fact that autorifles are no good in PvP.

That's odd. If that were a fact, I wouldn't go ridiculously positive with the low-impact Monte Carlo... And yet I do. Your facts are different than real-world facts...

You'd go positive with a hand cannon too. That means nothing except that you are a good crucible player. If you consistently do BETTER with an AR than with OTHER WEAPONS, then come back to me.

This is why scentific experiments have a control group.